Change in Import Rules for EIHL & other assorted crap
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Re: Rumoured change in Import Rules for EIHL
As someone who goes down to the rink to get my fix of hockey, I can only see benefit in this.
Higher standard of hockey, more exciting players.
However it is a rather negative move, and worrying is how they have already agreed to increased the limit AGAIN next season.
Still, looking forward to the new year
As someone who goes down to the rink to get my fix of hockey, I can only see benefit in this.
Higher standard of hockey, more exciting players.
However it is a rather negative move, and worrying is how they have already agreed to increased the limit AGAIN next season.
Still, looking forward to the new year
Re: Rumoured change in Import Rules for EIHL
In 2016-2017 with an "Import" Limit of 14 each team will only have to run with two active Brits to fill three lines. In short the available spaces have be cut. The playing situations these players will be exposed to will dwindle and the Brits will once again be third line cloggers like the ISL. They will not improve in this scenario. They will not develop the skill set to compete at world class level and the GB team will not improve. National exposure of the sport will not increase. Funding will not increase. The league will stagnate. Spectator numbers will fall and the league will falter. Short term riches lead to long term ruin. If I was an active Brit now I'd be hanging my skates up. They just got shafted royally up the wrong un.
In 2016-2017 with an "Import" Limit of 14 each team will only have to run with two active Brits to fill three lines. In short the available spaces have be cut. The playing situations these players will be exposed to will dwindle and the Brits will once again be third line cloggers like the ISL. They will not improve in this scenario. They will not develop the skill set to compete at world class level and the GB team will not improve. National exposure of the sport will not increase. Funding will not increase. The league will stagnate. Spectator numbers will fall and the league will falter. Short term riches lead to long term ruin. If I was an active Brit now I'd be hanging my skates up. They just got shafted royally up the wrong un.
Re: Rumoured change in Import Rules for EIHL
It needed something else to be a move you could see. Making a full bench a requirement and like some of the better leagues running full 4 lines. It is one of gb's undoings.when playing against nations who play fast four line hockey. I would have even made an under 21 line mandatory like another league. So fast hockey , development at right age for home nationals. By 21 the ones that would have worked harder etc would then gain roster space on merit and maybe even before 21... But the way the epl is set up as well etc the wage demands of Brits will still see a lot head there especially if from that area...
It needed something else to be a move you could see. Making a full bench a requirement and like some of the better leagues running full 4 lines. It is one of gb's undoings.when playing against nations who play fast four line hockey. I would have even made an under 21 line mandatory like another league. So fast hockey , development at right age for home nationals. By 21 the ones that would have worked harder etc would then gain roster space on merit and maybe even before 21... But the way the epl is set up as well etc the wage demands of Brits will still see a lot head there especially if from that area...
Re: Rumoured change in Import Rules for EIHL
Why do you think that this will mean a higher standard of hockey? Did we have a higher standard with our league of nations team?
Temme said:
As someone who goes down to the rink to get my fix of hockey, I can only see benefit in this.
Higher standard of hockey, more exciting players.
However it is a rather negative move, and worrying is how they have already agreed to increased the limit AGAIN next season.
Still, looking forward to the new year
Higher standard of hockey, more exciting players.
However it is a rather negative move, and worrying is how they have already agreed to increased the limit AGAIN next season.
Still, looking forward to the new year
Re: Rumoured change in Import Rules for EIHL
Why do you think that this will mean a higher standard of hockey? Did we have a higher standard with our league of nations team?
Because top british players cannot command such high wages now, as they become slightly less important to teams,
The standard of British player pretty much lies with David Clarke & Robert Dowd.
However with extra import slots, it is possible for better imports to be attracted to the league.
Just my opinion of course, i appreciate that an argument could be made for these big-buck brits to command an even higher wage, or just bin the elite league altogether and head overseas.
Sheincar said:
Temme said:
As someone who goes down to the rink to get my fix of hockey, I can only see benefit in this.
Higher standard of hockey, more exciting players.
However it is a rather negative move, and worrying is how they have already agreed to increased the limit AGAIN next season.
Still, looking forward to the new year
Higher standard of hockey, more exciting players.
However it is a rather negative move, and worrying is how they have already agreed to increased the limit AGAIN next season.
Still, looking forward to the new year
Because top british players cannot command such high wages now, as they become slightly less important to teams,
The standard of British player pretty much lies with David Clarke & Robert Dowd.
However with extra import slots, it is possible for better imports to be attracted to the league.
Just my opinion of course, i appreciate that an argument could be made for these big-buck brits to command an even higher wage, or just bin the elite league altogether and head overseas.
Re: Change in Import Rules for EIHL
Just wondering if your boycott will extend to the Devils next season, along with every other team in the league? Seeing as how it appears to have been voted in unanimously...
For what it's worth, I don't actually think this is all that bad a move. If the players are good enough they'll still find a way to the EIHL like Finny has said, and if they're not good enough they can head back to the EPL much like what already happens.
If the Brits can no longer demand huge wages because of the import limit then they might become cheaper making them an attractive option instead of paying for ITCs, housing, flights etc etc for imports, even European ones?
Just wondering if your boycott will extend to the Devils next season, along with every other team in the league? Seeing as how it appears to have been voted in unanimously...
For what it's worth, I don't actually think this is all that bad a move. If the players are good enough they'll still find a way to the EIHL like Finny has said, and if they're not good enough they can head back to the EPL much like what already happens.
If the Brits can no longer demand huge wages because of the import limit then they might become cheaper making them an attractive option instead of paying for ITCs, housing, flights etc etc for imports, even European ones?
Re: Change in Import Rules for EIHL
As much as it is nice to get an artificially higher standard, IMO it is still better to see good British players like Ben, Richie, et al make the grade and represent the club rather than some random foreigner who had to google the club to find out who and where we actually are. Some players embrace the club like Blight, Vother etc which makes them different but the majority are here for the $ (deliberately not put £ :lol: )
As much as it is nice to get an artificially higher standard, IMO it is still better to see good British players like Ben, Richie, et al make the grade and represent the club rather than some random foreigner who had to google the club to find out who and where we actually are. Some players embrace the club like Blight, Vother etc which makes them different but the majority are here for the $ (deliberately not put £ :lol: )
Re: Change in Import Rules for EIHL
Honestly I want to support my local team and don't want it to suffer anymore than it has but this move out weighs any of Ragans minor scurmishes. This absolutely smashes the kids of this country square in the nuts. I am sorely tempted to boycott everything EIHL related right now.
Point 1. Pay the Brits a going wage or they don't move leagues etc. They quit the sport. You will have the best of whats left not the best of the best. The Brits need a wage to live on and bring up a family on. A career wage or they have to hang them up. Simple as.
Point 2. Players need to have a scope of skills to peice together a team. You need shooters, passers, hitters etc. This move will make every Brit a third line lane clogger with no experience or specialty teams situations, prolonged offensive zone pressure etc. You have guys who can take a point man. Hit him a bit block his lane and thats about it then back to the bench to let the imports play the glamour game. They cannot then all of a sudden learn all those skills for GB when they meet up and go and perform to a world class level. They may make it but they will be one dimensional players of limited ability.
The future of the sport in this country is inter linked with the fortunes of the GB squad. That suffers the game suffers. This decision has just slapped a massive road block infront of British kids in the game. It is such a retrograde step it beggers belief.
Narrow sighted league standard visionaries can have their moment but it will end in a catastrophic fire ball of I told you so. The Dual nationals and Imports will go home and GB hockey will be left to pick up the pieces again. There will be a generation of kids lost to this sport because of this call.
Honestly I want to support my local team and don't want it to suffer anymore than it has but this move out weighs any of Ragans minor scurmishes. This absolutely smashes the kids of this country square in the nuts. I am sorely tempted to boycott everything EIHL related right now.
Point 1. Pay the Brits a going wage or they don't move leagues etc. They quit the sport. You will have the best of whats left not the best of the best. The Brits need a wage to live on and bring up a family on. A career wage or they have to hang them up. Simple as.
Point 2. Players need to have a scope of skills to peice together a team. You need shooters, passers, hitters etc. This move will make every Brit a third line lane clogger with no experience or specialty teams situations, prolonged offensive zone pressure etc. You have guys who can take a point man. Hit him a bit block his lane and thats about it then back to the bench to let the imports play the glamour game. They cannot then all of a sudden learn all those skills for GB when they meet up and go and perform to a world class level. They may make it but they will be one dimensional players of limited ability.
The future of the sport in this country is inter linked with the fortunes of the GB squad. That suffers the game suffers. This decision has just slapped a massive road block infront of British kids in the game. It is such a retrograde step it beggers belief.
Narrow sighted league standard visionaries can have their moment but it will end in a catastrophic fire ball of I told you so. The Dual nationals and Imports will go home and GB hockey will be left to pick up the pieces again. There will be a generation of kids lost to this sport because of this call.
Re: Change in Import Rules for EIHL
But I don't think that is the issue here Mooney.
What standard of hockey got guys like Dowd etc hooked on hockey in the first place? given their ages I would suggest it was the ISL. Now we can't go back there because this country cannot sustain the wages, but a higher level will increase audiences in theory.
Now the EIHL is the top league in the country. Why would you Blame it for a lack of development? surely the development should come from the governing bodies? You can't worry about a leak in the roof if the foundations aren't there to keep the roof up long term.
What have the EIHA, IHUK, EPL done to foster grass roots participation? it is their mandate to do so is it not?
If this country gets together and gets promoting grass roots hockey then the top league in this country won't ever have to worry about import limits as the kids will be coming through who are good enough anyway.
But I don't think that is the issue here Mooney.
What standard of hockey got guys like Dowd etc hooked on hockey in the first place? given their ages I would suggest it was the ISL. Now we can't go back there because this country cannot sustain the wages, but a higher level will increase audiences in theory.
Now the EIHL is the top league in the country. Why would you Blame it for a lack of development? surely the development should come from the governing bodies? You can't worry about a leak in the roof if the foundations aren't there to keep the roof up long term.
What have the EIHA, IHUK, EPL done to foster grass roots participation? it is their mandate to do so is it not?
If this country gets together and gets promoting grass roots hockey then the top league in this country won't ever have to worry about import limits as the kids will be coming through who are good enough anyway.
Re: Change in Import Rules for EIHL
You hit 18. You have played hockey all through juniour. You are then faced with an ice hockey career or a uni education or both at the same time if your lucky. You hit 21. Uni done its ice hockey career on £250 quid a week or a full time job on £750-1000 a week. Which one do you pick. You know where most players are going and thats the charity shop with their skates. You might delay a better career for more money and better sporting rewards but less money as a third line plug. The kids leave the sport. The grass roots can do all they want but it will end at that age point of seriously considering a pro career.
Just for starters. Murphy and Bowns will be the last British netties you will see for a long time. So who will back stop the GB team. A 30 yr old failed minor leaguer from the prairies with a grandad from up north.
You hit 18. You have played hockey all through juniour. You are then faced with an ice hockey career or a uni education or both at the same time if your lucky. You hit 21. Uni done its ice hockey career on £250 quid a week or a full time job on £750-1000 a week. Which one do you pick. You know where most players are going and thats the charity shop with their skates. You might delay a better career for more money and better sporting rewards but less money as a third line plug. The kids leave the sport. The grass roots can do all they want but it will end at that age point of seriously considering a pro career.
Just for starters. Murphy and Bowns will be the last British netties you will see for a long time. So who will back stop the GB team. A 30 yr old failed minor leaguer from the prairies with a grandad from up north.
Re: Change in Import Rules for EIHL
Oh no! What a bummer that is, especially for you.
Now your only going to be able to try desperately to make friends with the top end of that 11 and you will have to write off the players who aren't good enough, didn't want to be your friend or are from the continent because they are "more foreigners taking British jobs".
Oh no! What a bummer that is, especially for you.
Now your only going to be able to try desperately to make friends with the top end of that 11 and you will have to write off the players who aren't good enough, didn't want to be your friend or are from the continent because they are "more foreigners taking British jobs".