CDRA Open letter
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I don't think it was so much encouraging fans of other teams to join in, it was other fans asking if they could help in any way. And so the offer was there for Nottingham fans to join outside or other fans to tweet photos of themselves.
I guess if you are not a Devils fan and looking at it from the outside with no ties to either side of the argument, you are able to take a fair and unbiased view. And most do seem to find the recent events embarrassing.
I guess if you are not a Devils fan and looking at it from the outside with no ties to either side of the argument, you are able to take a fair and unbiased view. And most do seem to find the recent events embarrassing.
I usually get to the rink 30-45 minutes before face off and usually with 15 minutes try and get out for a quick smoke. It has always been the case that they don't allow you out until the first period break. Now I just say I need to go to my car for something.
Saw something on twitter that Kenton Smith and Neil Francis were outside also.
Saw something on twitter that Kenton Smith and Neil Francis were outside also.
Iceraider said:
People have never been allowed to leave and re-enter until the end of the first period, this has been the rule since the WNIR. As a smoker I know 
I am really struggling to work out how I as a regular attender at home games, and attending as many away games as possible (including Scotland) have no idea of what is truth and what is fiction. Yet fans from hundreds of miles away, who maybe come to our rink once or twice a year at best, know enough to feel they support the demonstration. That is of course, unless you are Todd Kelman, who seemed to know exactly what Brad Voth was doing, despite not even being in the same country!
If the 100 that turned up last night walk away, the club would be in the region of £30,000 down in ticket sales.
Add to that the sponsors that took part, call that £5,000 might be more might be less I really don't know.
What about SOHB and 50/50 X30 games. Say they buy one of each 2X100 X 30 =£6,000.
What about shirt sponsor ship, I know of at least 6 shirts sponsored by people their last night so that is £1050.
That's £42,050 so far.
What about end of year Shirt Auctions?
Add to that A good number of them volunteer on match night and help bring additional revenue to the club.
A significant number them lets stay a 'bus load', travel to away matches, what if Red Army Travel can no longer fill the buses and become less viable as an operation?
How much would that cost the Devils?
You probably have a good few grand on top of that £42,050, if not in 10s of thousands.
I believe the people that took part last night do not reflect the true extent of the dissatisfaction.
The loss of revenue would likely be somewhere between £50,000 to £100,000
Would the club survive that?
Paul Ragan had repeatedly refused to acknowledge that a problem exists and the extent of that problem. He is driving long term fans away.
Hopefully last night will be the wakeup call, to get him to acknowledge we have a problem and to take steps stop the downward spiral he and Pope have steered the Devils into before its to late.
Add to that the sponsors that took part, call that £5,000 might be more might be less I really don't know.
What about SOHB and 50/50 X30 games. Say they buy one of each 2X100 X 30 =£6,000.
What about shirt sponsor ship, I know of at least 6 shirts sponsored by people their last night so that is £1050.
That's £42,050 so far.
What about end of year Shirt Auctions?
Add to that A good number of them volunteer on match night and help bring additional revenue to the club.
A significant number them lets stay a 'bus load', travel to away matches, what if Red Army Travel can no longer fill the buses and become less viable as an operation?
How much would that cost the Devils?
You probably have a good few grand on top of that £42,050, if not in 10s of thousands.
I believe the people that took part last night do not reflect the true extent of the dissatisfaction.
The loss of revenue would likely be somewhere between £50,000 to £100,000
Would the club survive that?
Paul Ragan had repeatedly refused to acknowledge that a problem exists and the extent of that problem. He is driving long term fans away.
Hopefully last night will be the wakeup call, to get him to acknowledge we have a problem and to take steps stop the downward spiral he and Pope have steered the Devils into before its to late.
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I fear it is start of a downward spiral and as others in the community start to drift away it will ultimately lead to the demise of the Cardiff Devils.[/quote]
But is this a problem in mentality of the #devilsoutside. Your quantifying your monetary contribution to the club of great importance to the extent there is a belief if you all walk the club will fall apart and die. Is this really the case. In reality would the club simply carry on without you. The belief you have a powerful bargining position might be what drives it but it might be a belief that stretches reality.
As I have said. Why not come to play for real and if the 100 are serious group together and offer to take up an equity stake in the club. Have your voice and influenece heard from within the club then not protesting outside it. As Finny said he has had opportunities to speak to Directors at City but its because he is a share holder. In all seriousness has anyone ever spoken to Ragan about a fans equity share offer and investment as you might gain more supporters than 100 if that was on the cards.
I fear it is start of a downward spiral and as others in the community start to drift away it will ultimately lead to the demise of the Cardiff Devils.[/quote]
But is this a problem in mentality of the #devilsoutside. Your quantifying your monetary contribution to the club of great importance to the extent there is a belief if you all walk the club will fall apart and die. Is this really the case. In reality would the club simply carry on without you. The belief you have a powerful bargining position might be what drives it but it might be a belief that stretches reality.
As I have said. Why not come to play for real and if the 100 are serious group together and offer to take up an equity stake in the club. Have your voice and influenece heard from within the club then not protesting outside it. As Finny said he has had opportunities to speak to Directors at City but its because he is a share holder. In all seriousness has anyone ever spoken to Ragan about a fans equity share offer and investment as you might gain more supporters than 100 if that was on the cards.
But the club wouldn't be able to carry on the same would it? It's not like Cardiff City who have a waiting list for season ticket holders at the moment. If I was to not renew my season ticket there I would quickly be replaced by someone else.
At the Devils though we don't have capacity attendances. Far from it this season. If £50,000 worth of fans money walks away it won't be replaced. As has been pointed out, that's one or two top imports gone or downgraded.
Our average for the season so far is 1342. Last season it was 1435. How far would it have to go down before the club can no longer stay in the EIHL?
At the Devils though we don't have capacity attendances. Far from it this season. If £50,000 worth of fans money walks away it won't be replaced. As has been pointed out, that's one or two top imports gone or downgraded.
Our average for the season so far is 1342. Last season it was 1435. How far would it have to go down before the club can no longer stay in the EIHL?
My opinion, not that of all those that took part in #DevilsOutside. Some may agree, some may disagree.
Yes it would carry on, but how long for and at what level? Many IHC have fallen over the years.
Honestly I have no desire to be on the inside of the club in that manor. Others may or may not share that view, not sure if it is a good idea or not as several people I know that have become close to the workings of club came to regret it for one reason or another.
Yes it would carry on, but how long for and at what level? Many IHC have fallen over the years.
Honestly I have no desire to be on the inside of the club in that manor. Others may or may not share that view, not sure if it is a good idea or not as several people I know that have become close to the workings of club came to regret it for one reason or another.
It's difficult to quantify exact reasons for the lower attendance, but given our abysmal start to the season and resulting league position I'd say that was actually not a particularly worrying drop.
The live stream has to be taken into account as well of course, particularly with away fans.
•sorry I've ballsed up the quote
The live stream has to be taken into account as well of course, particularly with away fans.
•sorry I've ballsed up the quote
Unfortunately, I'm not sure the 'abysmal' start to the season can count as a reason. Up until the end of October (i.e when G was sacked) our average attendance was 1463. So higher than the previous season.
Amongst the doom and gloom though, last nights attendance of 1237 was more than 150 higher than the Nottingham midweek game two weeks ago.
Amongst the doom and gloom though, last nights attendance of 1237 was more than 150 higher than the Nottingham midweek game two weeks ago.
Well yes, but there was also a lot of optimism based on the team that was signed combined with the impressive/entertaining pre-season games. So that could be one reason for he early season attendances. It certainly convinced me to keep giving it a go
I certainly couldn't be convinced that an under performing team getting pumped every week at home wouldn't be the major reason for an eventual drop in numbers.
Great news on last night's attendance though as you say! Perhaps people are starting to come back now we're winning at home
I certainly couldn't be convinced that an under performing team getting pumped every week at home wouldn't be the major reason for an eventual drop in numbers.
Great news on last night's attendance though as you say! Perhaps people are starting to come back now we're winning at home
Soundwave1 said:
Well yes, but there was also a lot of optimism based on the team that was signed combined with the impressive/entertaining pre-season games. So that could be one reason for he early season attendances. It certainly convinced me to keep giving it a go
I certainly couldn't be convinced that an under performing team getting pumped every week at home wouldn't be the major reason for an eventual drop in numbers.
Great news on last night's attendance though as you say! Perhaps people are starting to come back now we're winning at home
I certainly couldn't be convinced that an under performing team getting pumped every week at home wouldn't be the major reason for an eventual drop in numbers.
Great news on last night's attendance though as you say! Perhaps people are starting to come back now we're winning at home
jodysstillagirlsname said:
Soundwave1 said:
Well yes, but there was also a lot of optimism based on the team that was signed combined with the impressive/entertaining pre-season games. So that could be one reason for he early season attendances. It certainly convinced me to keep giving it a go
I certainly couldn't be convinced that an under performing team getting pumped every week at home wouldn't be the major reason for an eventual drop in numbers.
Great news on last night's attendance though as you say! Perhaps people are starting to come back now we're winning at home
I certainly couldn't be convinced that an under performing team getting pumped every week at home wouldn't be the major reason for an eventual drop in numbers.
Great news on last night's attendance though as you say! Perhaps people are starting to come back now we're winning at home
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But is this a problem in mentality of the #devilsoutside. Your quantifying your monetary contribution to the club of great importance to the extent there is a belief if you all walk the club will fall apart and die. Is this really the case. In reality would the club simply carry on without you. The belief you have a powerful bargining position might be what drives it but it might be a belief that stretches reality.
As I have said. Why not come to play for real and if the 100 are serious group together and offer to take up an equity stake in the club. Have your voice and influenece heard from within the club then not protesting outside it. As Finny said he has had opportunities to speak to Directors at City but its because he is a share holder. In all seriousness has anyone ever spoken to Ragan about a fans equity share offer and investment as you might gain more supporters than 100 if that was on the cards.[/quote]
When Bob was in charge he called a fans forum, announced that there were financial difficulties & inviting people to put £500 in to tide the club over & that £500 would cover a ST for the following 2 years. I honoured my part of the deal & so did Bob. It really says something that I would not entertain the same deal with Ragan.
As I have said. Why not come to play for real and if the 100 are serious group together and offer to take up an equity stake in the club. Have your voice and influenece heard from within the club then not protesting outside it. As Finny said he has had opportunities to speak to Directors at City but its because he is a share holder. In all seriousness has anyone ever spoken to Ragan about a fans equity share offer and investment as you might gain more supporters than 100 if that was on the cards.[/quote]
When Bob was in charge he called a fans forum, announced that there were financial difficulties & inviting people to put £500 in to tide the club over & that £500 would cover a ST for the following 2 years. I honoured my part of the deal & so did Bob. It really says something that I would not entertain the same deal with Ragan.
I have watched the video linked on page one, I don't hear PR mention the 20 fans as keeps being mentioned. He does say a minority, which, to be fair it is.
See, that's what I hate, I heard this, my mate saw that. Anyone can post anything to try and back up a story, a rumour, or an opinion. Stick to what's real and then we all know the score.
See, that's what I hate, I heard this, my mate saw that. Anyone can post anything to try and back up a story, a rumour, or an opinion. Stick to what's real and then we all know the score.
So honest question. If their will not be a fan investment what is the difference between people simply playing armchair businessman instead of armchair hockey coach with all this. Its people telling others they have cocked up and must do better. The most protest a hockey player or coach in Cardiff ever took was a bit of booing. Why is this so exponentially different it requires a radical action.
I think I speak for a vast majority in simply saying. We don't get it.
I think I speak for a vast majority in simply saying. We don't get it.