CDRA Open letter
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For me, the endgame is as follows:
- to show Paul Ragan that his Militia of 20 disgruntled fans is a lot more
- to have acknowledgement and respect for the reasons for being disgruntled rather than being dismissed.
- action to deal with the many issues that have been dealt with by the club so badly this year.
- for the club management to treat ALL fans, sponsors, players etc. with respect.
Do I want to dictate the roster - No. Am I against change - No provided it is not change for change sake.
- to show Paul Ragan that his Militia of 20 disgruntled fans is a lot more
- to have acknowledgement and respect for the reasons for being disgruntled rather than being dismissed.
- action to deal with the many issues that have been dealt with by the club so badly this year.
- for the club management to treat ALL fans, sponsors, players etc. with respect.
Do I want to dictate the roster - No. Am I against change - No provided it is not change for change sake.
OK I understand the first two points Dom and I suspect actually trying to speak to Mr Ragan directly might get you more in the right direction with the second at least. How do you see the third point working. Will you provide Mr Ragan with a list. Will there be action points drawn up. Will there be goals to aim for? It's all a bit wishy washy otherwise. More a 'down with this sort of thing' Father Ted protest. Let Mr Ragan know your issues, what they actually are and how you suggest they can be amicably achieved otherwise you're just getting wet for 1/2 an hour with no good achievement.
From the article in the south wales Echo it's to get rid of the current owner:
But even though our own fanbase is divided on the protest, for some reason the organiser/organisers think it's great that they have fans from other clubs backing them up. What the aim of that is I have no idea, the Coventry fans are hardly having a great time with their current ownership, the Sheffield fans were/are calling for Christiansens head and were getting annoyed that their current owner wasn't acting quick enough.
Some of the reasons for this protest seem to be reasonable to me, even if I think it's going to do far more harm than good to the fanbase. But trying to get support from other fans around the league is ridiculous, the decisions in Cardiff are not affecting those living hundreds of miles away.
But even though our own fanbase is divided on the protest, for some reason the organiser/organisers think it's great that they have fans from other clubs backing them up. What the aim of that is I have no idea, the Coventry fans are hardly having a great time with their current ownership, the Sheffield fans were/are calling for Christiansens head and were getting annoyed that their current owner wasn't acting quick enough.
Some of the reasons for this protest seem to be reasonable to me, even if I think it's going to do far more harm than good to the fanbase. But trying to get support from other fans around the league is ridiculous, the decisions in Cardiff are not affecting those living hundreds of miles away.
After watching the last interview that Ragan has done do you really think he is that open to discussion? All you ever hear from him is dismissal of fans who have a concern.
I don't want to give the management a list of objectives and actions that are needed they should be obvious (although I'd happily do it if PR wants me to), with the basic principals being honesty, integrity and respect.
I don't want to give the management a list of objectives and actions that are needed they should be obvious (although I'd happily do it if PR wants me to), with the basic principals being honesty, integrity and respect.
So everyone outside is protesting to get rid of Ragan? That's not on Dom's list? Is each person going outside for their own reasons then ? Sometimes I have someone standing in my season ticket spot at games and they won't move. That really annoys me, I paid for that place. Should I stand outside then ?
Where does it say everybody is doing that? It clearly says that is Paul's personal opinion. If PR is not going to acknowledge that there are more than 20 annoyed fans then it is natural that those fans will want to demonstrate that there are. He knows what the issues are, they've been raised at fans forums and in writing, but he shrugs then off due to it all bring from the same few people.
If the issues are prompting people to question their commitment to attending our renewing season tickets, surely it is beret that the club have an understanding of the numbers involved rather than only seeing it when applications are lower than expected?
If the issues are prompting people to question their commitment to attending our renewing season tickets, surely it is beret that the club have an understanding of the numbers involved rather than only seeing it when applications are lower than expected?
James, it clearly states that opinion is my own and I was deliberately highlighting that. Not quite sure why you seem to be ignoring that very clear point.
As for 'is each person going outside for their own reasons' - Of Course! How else would they decide? Apart from bullying and mind control of course :roll:
Feel free to stand outside if you have been sufficiently dissatisfied and frustrated by the management of the Club this year. Feel free to not do so if you are happy with the current organisation, feel you benefit sufficiently from the Club they provide or just don't want to because of a personal or personality issue.
It seems to me that your belittling of the reasons, justification or decisions made by those who are standing outside is a short leap to 'I don't understand why there is a protest', which is what Paul said today, and a perfect example of his denial of the level of dissatisfaction of a good number of his fans and partners. Current and former.
Comparing over 100 people saying they will stand outside in protest to an easily solved issue with a newbie in your spot is not only disingenuous, it is a little insulting.
As for 'is each person going outside for their own reasons' - Of Course! How else would they decide? Apart from bullying and mind control of course :roll:
Feel free to stand outside if you have been sufficiently dissatisfied and frustrated by the management of the Club this year. Feel free to not do so if you are happy with the current organisation, feel you benefit sufficiently from the Club they provide or just don't want to because of a personal or personality issue.
It seems to me that your belittling of the reasons, justification or decisions made by those who are standing outside is a short leap to 'I don't understand why there is a protest', which is what Paul said today, and a perfect example of his denial of the level of dissatisfaction of a good number of his fans and partners. Current and former.
Comparing over 100 people saying they will stand outside in protest to an easily solved issue with a newbie in your spot is not only disingenuous, it is a little insulting.
So you are saying everyone is protesting for various disparate reasons? That's not really a sensible protest. I've already said I think the protest it potentially damaging so if it is going to go ahead, I'd rather know it was going ahead with a tangible goal rather than a vague collection of issues. If I stand outside because I'm annoyed with people standing in my place at games, how will Ragan know? Will he assume I'm there because I want him out or will he assume everyone is there in solidarity for me and my 'people standing in my place' plight? It devalues the process completely if there isn't one accord amongst the people protesting outside.
But that's exactly my point Paul. You say it clearly states that your opinions are your own but how is Ragan going to know what everyone else is protesting for if they don't all share your opinion? There may be varying levels of disappointment / disgust / anger / wanting a fag break amongst the people outside. Without a concerted voice it achieves nothing. Stand outside if you feel its necessary but at least agree on the reasons and aims behind it.
James this is something that began as me posting what I would do. Just me. Others have joined and posted support, for which I am grateful. You seem to be playing for a kind of check-mate whereby I either speak on behalf of over 100 people without consultation or try to say that the protest is meaningless without a manifesto.
It is my sincere hope that tomorrow strikes a chord and Paul and those of us who are unhappy with his management of the Club can forge a strong, respectable Cardiff Devils of which we can be proud. Irrespective of your own views, I think based on the objective commentary on this season from around the League and now this event, it would be churlish in the extreme to suggest we are anything but a shadow of our former selves.
If further mistreatment of players (my prime motivation) were, God forbid, to re-occur then it is likely someone would organise a fans-only forum to discuss a more structured and I would guess, aggressive approach.
And let me be clear here. I do not mean roster changes. I mean mistreatment.
That's not what anybody wants. You may not agree. You may never support unless there is a format that you endorse for aims and views. But do not disregard that over 100 people - who have on several hundred occasions made their very specific displeasure known to the Club - are now sufficiently unhappy to take further action just because we aren't issuing brochures.
It is my sincere hope that tomorrow strikes a chord and Paul and those of us who are unhappy with his management of the Club can forge a strong, respectable Cardiff Devils of which we can be proud. Irrespective of your own views, I think based on the objective commentary on this season from around the League and now this event, it would be churlish in the extreme to suggest we are anything but a shadow of our former selves.
If further mistreatment of players (my prime motivation) were, God forbid, to re-occur then it is likely someone would organise a fans-only forum to discuss a more structured and I would guess, aggressive approach.
And let me be clear here. I do not mean roster changes. I mean mistreatment.
That's not what anybody wants. You may not agree. You may never support unless there is a format that you endorse for aims and views. But do not disregard that over 100 people - who have on several hundred occasions made their very specific displeasure known to the Club - are now sufficiently unhappy to take further action just because we aren't issuing brochures.
I am bemused by some of the bile displayed on here, it is not even veiled any more. Most fans are just not posting or cannot be bothered as trench warfare appears to be their only accepted way of moving forward.
The protest appears to be more about an obsession by a couple of people about the owner than it does rational thought. They are so consumed by hatred that they cannot see the wood for the trees and are whipping up support for what appears to be their own personal cause. I'm glad they don't work for the Devils, as I certainly wouldn't have them working for me.
The protest appears to be more about an obsession by a couple of people about the owner than it does rational thought. They are so consumed by hatred that they cannot see the wood for the trees and are whipping up support for what appears to be their own personal cause. I'm glad they don't work for the Devils, as I certainly wouldn't have them working for me.