Cardiff Devils PP
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#23
I hope the team work as hard to improve the PP as we have on this thread. Come on you Devils Score on the PP 50% :twisted:
Reason I get 'precious' is that quite often people will use anecdotal ('better with Biz' for example) or snapshot stats (just January, just when Biz was here, just when I wore my red jersey etc) to make a point but seem to get precious themselves when the wider view of the season is taken. That's all.
It's like saying our defence scores no goals and only using the stats of Rupert Quiney to back that up.
To analyse something you need to see the whole picture is all I am saying. Of course, trends are noteworthy but it's not the tale of the entire season to date.
It's like saying our defence scores no goals and only using the stats of Rupert Quiney to back that up.
To analyse something you need to see the whole picture is all I am saying. Of course, trends are noteworthy but it's not the tale of the entire season to date.
I agree but to correctly analyse trends you need to ensure that as many significant variables as possible are taken into account.
The reason I looked at it more closely was because I was surprised when Finny quoted the stat for the season and that we were 3rd best in the league. I'm not disputing those facts I was trying to work out why I and many others thought it was worse than that.
As I said I'm not digging at anyone but the fact remains in recent games our PP has not been very good. I understand some of the underlying reasons behind that, but it remains a fact.
The reason I looked at it more closely was because I was surprised when Finny quoted the stat for the season and that we were 3rd best in the league. I'm not disputing those facts I was trying to work out why I and many others thought it was worse than that.
As I said I'm not digging at anyone but the fact remains in recent games our PP has not been very good. I understand some of the underlying reasons behind that, but it remains a fact.
I can tell you why you may think it's not very good. Pretty much every Devils fan I know has thought that for as long as I can remember. Even in the rip-roaring Heineken days, either a) We weren't great on the PP or b) it seemed that way but the concept of the 'powerkill' definitely originated in Cardiff.
All those old buggers you hang around with in Block 3 have probably rubbed that attitude off on you :lol:
All those old buggers you hang around with in Block 3 have probably rubbed that attitude off on you :lol:
As soon as Finny posted originally our PP percentage I questioned how many PP goals we had scored with Biz in the line up, just out of curiosity really. TBH I was suprised we had the 3rd best in the league, pleasantly suprised of course.
What frustrates me isn't the lack of goals, but the way we work the puck on the whole. I certainly don't expect us to score on the PP as others.
i just find it a little ..... dull, and predictable. Players are stationary when they receive a past, a lack of movement for sure. Jut my views.
And before anyone rants, I'm not slagging off the team or the coach, just debating, which I think forums are for .... apparently.
What frustrates me isn't the lack of goals, but the way we work the puck on the whole. I certainly don't expect us to score on the PP as others.
i just find it a little ..... dull, and predictable. Players are stationary when they receive a past, a lack of movement for sure. Jut my views.
And before anyone rants, I'm not slagging off the team or the coach, just debating, which I think forums are for .... apparently.
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#32
Neither am I slagging off the team or the coach but it is an interesting discussion which can lead to forming an opinion. I do agree that taking a longer time period will give more reliable evidence to a trend and various snippets of information has added to my awareness of our PP and PK performances.
However I will say that trying to ridicule reasonable opinion does not enhance an argument. e.g. “It's like saying our defence scores no goals and only using the stats of Rupert Quiney to back that up”
Incidentally when we are on PP I DO expect a goal especially when we are 5 on 3. It’s our best chance. I want my team to score and I shout and cheer to encourage them.
However I will say that trying to ridicule reasonable opinion does not enhance an argument. e.g. “It's like saying our defence scores no goals and only using the stats of Rupert Quiney to back that up”
Incidentally when we are on PP I DO expect a goal especially when we are 5 on 3. It’s our best chance. I want my team to score and I shout and cheer to encourage them.
It's not meant as ridiculing. It's extrapolating a partial-stats based argument to highlight an opposing viewpoint. I just think it's disingenuous to represent performance with such a small sampling, hence the Rupe comment. And no offence to him either - just an example.
If I were ridiculing I would dig at those who say 'according to you' to Finny. The official statistician of the club
If I were ridiculing I would dig at those who say 'according to you' to Finny. The official statistician of the club
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#34
I was acknowledging the information had come from Finney. There was certainly no attempt or intent of any discredit, nor should you imply that.
Actually, even though I was making a joke and not implying anything other than the need to lighten the mood a little, I'll imply whatever I like, thanks.
I expect a goal on a 5-on-3 too, I think that's more than reasonable. However if the best clip the NHL guys can muster is around 20% expecting a goal on every powerplay just isn't realistic.
I expect a goal on a 5-on-3 too, I think that's more than reasonable. However if the best clip the NHL guys can muster is around 20% expecting a goal on every powerplay just isn't realistic.
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#38
I’ve taking quite a slating for expecting a goal when we are on a PP. I wonder if our coach and team share your view. “We are on a PP boys but don’t expect to score it’s unrealistic!” I think our coach is more likely to be far more motivational.
Obviously in reality we will not score every time. But basic sports motivational psychology says you go onto the ice with a numerical advantage and expect to score.
That doesn’t follow that we don’t go to the next game if they didn’t score on PP
Glad to see at least a 5 on 3 is seen as a reasonable expectation for a goal
Obviously in reality we will not score every time. But basic sports motivational psychology says you go onto the ice with a numerical advantage and expect to score.
That doesn’t follow that we don’t go to the next game if they didn’t score on PP
Glad to see at least a 5 on 3 is seen as a reasonable expectation for a goal
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#40
So which one of the 5 or 6 should we expect to score on? The first, the third or the sixth? I would prefer to expect to score on any one of them as I'm sure would the coach and team. Then if we score on all three, Great.
If we don't score on any, we wait til the seventh and expect one then.
Maybe if I use the word HOPE instead of EXPECT
I HOPE we score on every PP.
However motivationally I hope/expect the coach nor team think like that.
Thanks for the debate
If we don't score on any, we wait til the seventh and expect one then.
Maybe if I use the word HOPE instead of EXPECT
I HOPE we score on every PP.
However motivationally I hope/expect the coach nor team think like that.
Thanks for the debate