Elite League Discipline from Devil V Blaze

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drainage

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#181
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Wannabe2 said:
redvark said:
The travesty of game call is odd, I do think Francis' penalty will be reduced on appeal.

As I've said before in respect of the non penalties for alledged bahaviour by Blaze players, it's up to the Devils to have called for a review at the time, if they haven't then it's a poor call by the management team, though it could also have led to bans or increased bans for some on the Devils side

Again to reiterate my views on the Olson v Fan thing, I suspect that the EIHL have seen that there is no Police action being taken and decided that it would be very difficult for them to ban him, natural justice and all that. You are after all alllowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself, and i think it's quite difficult for the league to be second guessing or disagreeing with a police decision. I suspect the Devils will face a further penalty, probably a fine, for failure to control their fans. There are also dark mutterings on this forum and others about events outside the rink as the teams were leaving which could cause even more bother for the Devils
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That last remark though is surely hearsay.
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Didnt see anything as I left and surely if there was it would have happened outside of the rink and therefore not for the Devils to police or even be aware off?

And as for controlling the fans - one fan was a fool do we all get tarnished with that brush and isnt fining the team excessive they dealt with the offender
 
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drainage

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#182
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redvark said:
Couple of points that came up whilst I was typing

Firstly it's a bit more than a fan just giving Olson stick, the video is pretty clear he's up close and personal in Olson's face (well chest), Olson has no way of knowing what the guy is going to do next. Monica Seles, lets not forget, was stabbed at that distance. I don't often agree with anything Neil Chiplen writes but on this he is quite good. It's not a Cantona leaping into the crowd to kung fu kick a gobby fan - that isn't the analogy to draw

Secondly I can see Wannabee's point but I don't think you can use the "but for" arguement in the case of the alledged foul by Olson on Birbraer, that's like saying if we hadn't hit the bar/post/had the goal disallowed/not conceeded/been given a penalty we would have won arguement you hear at the footie. I'm hoping that the outside the ground stuff is hearsay, but if Plod was around there might be an unhelpful police report which will just cause more problems
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For goodness sake - the point is had the blantant foul been dealt with emotions wouldnt have been so high

You appear to have joined the forum purely in inflame already annoyed fans - trust you are getting some enjoyment ?
 
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Mooney#16

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Me personally think Olson doesn't have a case to answer with the fan incident but the league has to draw a line somewhere in context to these incidents to give precident for future occurancences. To let him walk with almost league blessing and not even a token warning to future conduct I think has muddied the waters not clarified them.

My travesty of the game calls would be against both Egener and Olson for approaching the opposition bench after game cessation and via these actions causing altercations to be caused resulting in multiple combatants potentially leading to fighting beyond the reasonable control of the on ice officials. In other words causing a bloody big dust up as that at the end of the day is what all the bad headlines have been caused by so hence travesty of the game.

I think the message needed to be to all the players that they need to control themselves but instead they have as been said sent a message of do what you want and be as cheap and dangerous as you want just don't go back for seconds. This I hazard will not be the last major dust up this season and the league can only blame themselves as this is where they directly affected the style the league was going take going forward. I bet there are a number a skill guys out there now that if Olson comes knocking will simply hit him with a spear in the Crown Jewels to back him of.
 
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redvark

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Drainage, I see the point, i just don't think you can use it as an defence, otherwise you could excuse all the bad behaviour on Sunday at Stamford Bridge simply because of the second sending off and an offside goal....i can see it now, honest officer if it hadn't been for that goal I would never have hurled that coin at the steward. Once emotions run riot there will always be penalties, in pretty much all sports the person who retaliates will end up coming off worse

Crowd control is the responsibility of the home team, hence Chelsea will be fined for the loutish behaviour of their fans on sunday and the Devils will probably get at least a written warning about the fan being in a no fan zone

If you want to call reasoned debate trolling fine, but I think it reflects more on you than me, and as for tolerance, I suspect there was more on show at a lynch party than from some on here !
 
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danhall76

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#186
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redvark said:
In terms of the ongoing debate on Olson Didiomete, the sequence of events seems to me to be
1 - Olson and Didiomete fight
2 - Didiomete leaves ice, Olson taunts crowd (stupid), returns to bench to leave but is prevented by a mass melee, words are exchanged, Didiomete returns to ice, there is a curious bit of skating round the rink, but fair play to Didiomete for putting himself up for another thumping. Broken up by refs, Olson is shown alternate route to lockers, confronted by fan, Didiomete skates off, lunges at Hirsch and then goes straight into the middle of the next flare up, and ends up hanging from the plexi. Both got 5 minute majors for fighting. My reading of the discipline report is that Didiomete's ban is for the events after his second grapple with Olson not the second grapple, in which case there is no direct comparable ban for which Olson wasn't charged. His removed ban was for the fan incident. s I've said earlier it's the involvmenet of three in the 2nd mass melee that causes the bans

Read the game report, the discipline report and watch the video in the cold light of day, and whilst it may not seem fair, it is at least logical
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Did u watch the video? Olson prevented from leaving the ice by the Melee? Come on Kirkham, its clear as day he was half way over and decided to come back for another pop when it all kicked off again.

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redvark

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Dan - I've just rewatched it and I can't see him half over the bench surround at all, so you must have better eyes than me or be looking at someone else, there is a legitimate critiscism but it's of him not using the other exit to leave the ice. But once he's off he stays off, unlike both Didiomete and Birbraer, and that, like it or not, is what the disciplinary committee has come down on
 
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J.B

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#189
#189
Gaz G said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4PdPBJxBas

Haven't seen this clip on here before so thought i'd post it. Clearly shows Egener throwing the first punch. How he got away with with no ban at all is nothing short of rediculous in my opinion.

The league have set a very dangerous precident with their decisions.
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I wouldn't say clearly. Looks like Egener and Max's arms are raised at the same time. Difference is that Max had already been ejected from the game and Egener hadn't. Hence 3 match ban for Max and nothing for Egener. No match penalties required for a bit of handbags.
 
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Rempel16

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#190
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redvark said:
Cardiffdevil, I think you will find if you study the EIHL rules that a coach fighting in the benches is an offence, that, as I have said repeatedly, is what Francis got the ban for. The rules are on the EIHL website, have a look. It's no good running this provocation defence it isn't going to work.

Also Olson was escorted from the ice, was confronted, and then went to locker room, Didiomete didn't, he remained on ice, joined in the melee and paid the penalty, the situations are not comparable
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Yet, starting on the coach carries just a game misconduct penalty.....

So, next time we're in Coventry, when Thommo walks across the ice during the period break.... I hope Deeds goes over and challenges him to a fight. Game misconduct for Deeds, 5 game ban for Thompson. HAPPY DAYS!!! :Banana

#ridiculous
 
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danhall76

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redvark said:
Dan - I've just rewatched it and I can't see him half over the bench surround at all, so you must have better eyes than me or be looking at someone else, there is a legitimate critiscism but it's of him not using the other exit to leave the ice. But once he's off he stays off, unlike both Didiomete and Birbraer, and that, like it or not, is what the disciplinary committee has come down on
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Not a case of having better eyesight just a case of watching the video. After the fight between Deeds and Olson, Olson moves over to the Coventry bench and puts one leg over it. Both skates seem to have left the ice at this point. A pushing aqnd shoving match starts again and he re-enters the ice.
 
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Soundwave1

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#192
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Rempel16 said:
redvark said:
Cardiffdevil, I think you will find if you study the EIHL rules that a coach fighting in the benches is an offence, that, as I have said repeatedly, is what Francis got the ban for. The rules are on the EIHL website, have a look. It's no good running this provocation defence it isn't going to work.

Also Olson was escorted from the ice, was confronted, and then went to locker room, Didiomete didn't, he remained on ice, joined in the melee and paid the penalty, the situations are not comparable
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Yet, starting on the coach carries just a game misconduct penalty.....

So, next time we're in Coventry, when Thommo walks across the ice during the period break.... I hope Deeds goes over and challenges him to a fight. Game misconduct for Deeds, 5 game ban for Thompson. HAPPY DAYS!!! :Banana

#ridiculous
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+1 for this happening :)
 
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J.B

Member
#194
#194
redvark said:
Dan, just to make doubly sure I've watched it again,have another look, it's the number 13 who gets half over the boards not Olson who is 33
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Exactly. Olson never leaves the ice. At one point he skates over and has a friendly word with Marsh but never goes anywhere near the exit. But why let the truth get in the away of a good Blaze-bash .... ask Finny ;)
 
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drainage

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#196
#196
redvark said:
Drainage, I see the point, i just don't think you can use it as an defence, otherwise you could excuse all the bad behaviour on Sunday at Stamford Bridge simply because of the second sending off and an offside goal....i can see it now, honest officer if it hadn't been for that goal I would never have hurled that coin at the steward. Once emotions run riot there will always be penalties, in pretty much all sports the person who retaliates will end up coming off worse

Crowd control is the responsibility of the home team, hence Chelsea will be fined for the loutish behaviour of their fans on sunday and the Devils will probably get at least a written warning about the fan being in a no fan zone

If you want to call reasoned debate trolling fine, but I think it reflects more on you than me, and as for tolerance, I suspect there was more on show at a lynch party than from some on here !
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I think you need to learn to read - exactly where did I call you a troll or refer to trolling? So i think your assumptions reflect on you more than me ???

You seem to have nothing better to do than to try and inflame things - that also says more about you than me

Nothing further to say to you .... its like talking to the idiots who run our league pointless
 
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drainage

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#197
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J.B said:
redvark said:
Dan, just to make doubly sure I've watched it again,have another look, it's the number 13 who gets half over the boards not Olson who is 33
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Exactly. Olson never leaves the ice. At one point he skates over and has a friendly word with Marsh but never goes anywhere near the exit. But why let the truth get in the away of a good Blaze-bash .... ask Finny ;)
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He should - him and Deeds fought why was Deeds removed and Olson left on ice ??? He should have been ejected as well - so rather than come on here to tell us how saintly the Blaze are actually listen to whats being said. And Olson didnt have a friendly word with anyone .... his actions define idiot not friend
 
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redvark

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#198
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Sorry Drainage, the trolling comment was in response to someone else, as I'd put it in a seperate paragraph I thought that would be clear

No disrespect meant to you
 
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Anonymous

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J.b he left the ice and had fight with a fan. You can see this clearly in a video link on here somewhere.
 
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