Increased activity outside IAW …..

Finny

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If the news weren't ramming figures down a our throat every single day, none of us would even be aware there's a "deadly" virus ripping through the population.
Wow. Let's hope none of the 125,000+ people who died from Covid have family reading this forum.
 

moggy#9

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Bottom line Finny, Boris has given people a choice and fully grown men are getting into hysterics about it.

2 deaths you say? We're they vaccinated, did they have underlying health issues.

If we can't open up now then when can we? It's time to crack on. If people are daft enough to refuse the vaccine then that's on them. If you've had the vaccine and still don't deem it safe then by all means, stay at home and hide away while the rest of us carry on. Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. It's been over a year now. Enough is enough. If the news weren't ramming figures down a our throat every single day, none of us would even be aware there's a "deadly" virus ripping through the population. Mostly thanks to the success of the vaccine.

That's it now. I'm not going to engage in any more discussion regarding Covid. That'll please one or two of you ha
Yes but people have demonstrably made bad choices throughout this. Mask wearing should never be a personal choice as it is in place to protect others from asymptomatic carriers. I'm fed up to the back teeth about hearing about people's rights, when they care nothing about their responsibilities.
 

NathanG

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Yes but people have demonstrably made bad choices throughout this. Mask wearing should never be a personal choice as it is in place to protect others from asymptomatic carriers. I'm fed up to the back teeth about hearing about people's rights, when they care nothing about their responsibilities.
I'll wear mine out of respect for others and because I'm absolutely certain it's protected me from having a cold during winter. I was wearing one in shops before it became a legal requirement, which might surprise some of you.

Ive got a Devils mask, really comfortable material.
 

kingmo19.1

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Thread starter #385
Disagree. The most important factor is hospitalisations - as this gives us the earliest possible indicator that something is 'going wrong'. If we wait for an increase in deaths it's already too late to save people.


In last night's briefing Vallance/Whitty said "the vaccine has weakened the correlation between cases and deaths but not broken it.

That seems to be a bizarre argument to use. I'm not sure we should be basing rules and laws on the most stupid and selfish of people?From my own personal experience the majority of people are still obeying the rules.
You think 90% aren't?
Maybe that shows the difference in the company we both keep?
Everyone is entitled to disagree - it would be very boring if we all agreed. Deaths appears to be the metric the statisticians refer to at present, not number of hospitalisations! There is no pressure whatsoever on the NHS at present, although this is creeping up very slowly.

You last sentence is a little shallow, but I guess your baiting for a response, therefore, to satisfy your curiosity ….
Having adhered to the rules throughout and not socialised outside the rules, I’m referring to the groups of people I see when walking through Cardiff and in and around the bay where I live. The vast majority are youngsters which is hardly surprising.
 

Hedd Wyn John

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In the 2017/18 flu season 22,000 people died from the flu in England, spaced out evenly that's 60 deaths every day from the flu. The country did not lockdown as we are accustomed to flu killing thousands of people each year. Now covid is different to flu, I'm not going to pretend they are the same. Covid is a lot more deadly than the flu, however we now have vaccines for covid. All vulnerable people have been offered 2 doses and nearly two thirds of all adults have been given 2 doses. Those that are unvaccinated are those by choice and those that have only had 1 dose are concentrated in the 18-30s age group that have a tiny likelihood of dying from covid. Of course vaccines are not 100% and people will continue to die from covid, any sort of relaxing restrictions will lead to more infections and some deaths, that it is inevitable. There is no way to avoid that. Now there will always be an argument to wait a bit longer when it comes on holding off relaxing restrictions. Whatever the circumstance its easy to say wait a bit longer but lockdowns do have an economic cost and that cost hits livelihoods and peoples physical and mental wellbeing. Lockdowns do hurt people's lives, so it's about finding the correct balance. Covid deaths as it stands are minimal, cases are rising but mostly in the younger age groups and all vulnerable groups have been double vaxxed. If we aren't able to unlock now at the height of summer we're never going to unlock. Cases will rise again in winter and so will deaths. Covid isn't going away, it will circulate in humans just like the flu does until the end of time. Chances are all of us will catch covid in our lifetimes, probably multiple times.
 

august04 2.0

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Everyone is entitled to disagree - it would be very boring if we all agreed. Deaths appears to be the metric the statisticians refer to at present, not number of hospitalisations! There is no pressure whatsoever on the NHS at present, although this is creeping up very slowly.

You last sentence is a little shallow, but I guess your baiting for a response, therefore, to satisfy your curiosity ….
Having adhered to the rules throughout and not socialised outside the rules, I’m referring to the groups of people I see when walking through Cardiff and in and around the bay where I live. The vast majority are youngsters which is hardly surprising.
It’s healthy to disagree but there’s been a worrying trend this past few years within UK politics, particularly from the left wing movement - the abuse of people who have an opposing view. We've seen it particularly with Brexit and the Covid pandemic. It’s unnecessary.
 

moggy#9

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It’s healthy to disagree but there’s been a worrying trend this past few years within UK politics, particularly from the left wing movement - the abuse of people who have an opposing view. We've seen it particularly with Brexit and the Covid pandemic. It’s unnecessary.
I agree. Being confronted with differing opinions, and so being forced to critique and defend your own is healthy. I hope that debate here continues in that sorry of constructive manner - whatever the topic.
 
Everyone is entitled to disagree - it would be very boring if we all agreed. There is no pressure whatsoever on the NHS at present, although this is creeping up very slowly.
Judging by what he said at the televised Government Briefing on Monday, Dr Andrew Goodall, Director General of Health and Social Services/Chief Executive NHS Wales, would not seem to agree with your assertion that the NHS is under no pressure whatsoever at present (4 minutes 30 seconds in).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-54434077

Just to be clear, I am neither sharing nor opposing your view and am definitely not seeking to abuse you in any way for holding your view. I am merely curious to know what has led you to it? Perhaps you work in the NHS?
 

august04 2.0

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The NHS is always under pressure in Wales. Dr. Goodall commented that the “vast majority” of patients in hospitals at the moment were not Covid patients - but the pressure on the NHS is due to the catching up of services which suffered as a result of the pandemic. Surely, we're not advocating maintaining restrictions because the NHS is in catch up mode?
 

NathanG

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In the 2017/18 flu season 22,000 people died from the flu in England, spaced out evenly that's 60 deaths every day from the flu. The country did not lockdown as we are accustomed to flu killing thousands of people each year. Now covid is different to flu, I'm not going to pretend they are the same. Covid is a lot more deadly than the flu, however we now have vaccines for covid. All vulnerable people have been offered 2 doses and nearly two thirds of all adults have been given 2 doses. Those that are unvaccinated are those by choice and those that have only had 1 dose are concentrated in the 18-30s age group that have a tiny likelihood of dying from covid. Of course vaccines are not 100% and people will continue to die from covid, any sort of relaxing restrictions will lead to more infections and some deaths, that it is inevitable. There is no way to avoid that. Now there will always be an argument to wait a bit longer when it comes on holding off relaxing restrictions. Whatever the circumstance its easy to say wait a bit longer but lockdowns do have an economic cost and that cost hits livelihoods and peoples physical and mental wellbeing. Lockdowns do hurt people's lives, so it's about finding the correct balance. Covid deaths as it stands are minimal, cases are rising but mostly in the younger age groups and all vulnerable groups have been double vaxxed. If we aren't able to unlock now at the height of summer we're never going to unlock. Cases will rise again in winter and so will deaths. Covid isn't going away, it will circulate in humans just like the flu does until the end of time. Chances are all of us will catch covid in our lifetimes, probably multiple times.
This is what I was trying to say but when I've had a few pints it's difficult to get my points across.
 

Chris

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Yeah fingers crossed.
You know, i've sat here and read your posts for a while now, saw you claim to be drunk when you've made some offhand remark that hasn't gone down very well, and whatever else.

I don't know what James' view will be here, but if you're going to start bringing this nonsense about it not being a major illnesss, or "deadly" as you put it, then i'd be quite happy to not see you post on here again to be honest.

I've lost two colleagues to this virus, I had covid and still have some effects 6 months later, my wife was off work for 16 weeks, we had the ambulance out to the house 4 times in the space of a week. The only reason she didn't go into hospital was because there were no hospital beds available in Medway, or the surrounding areas, it was terrifying to watch someone you love be so ill and you literally can't do anything other than watch them suffer and hope things improve.

One of my mums brothers has died, another has prostate cancer and has seen their treatment delayed time and time again because the hospitals are overwhelmed. He's now on end of life care. Whilst covid might not be directly to blame, it is also definitely to blame.

You might have been luckily enough not to have caught it, or seen people suffer through it, but maybe try and think of the people on here who have done.

So feel free to take a think before you post again, or just don't post again, I really don't mind at this point.
 
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You might have been luckily enough not to have caught it, or seen people suffer through it, but maybe try and think of the people on here who have done.

So feel free to take a think before you post again, or just don't post again, I really don't mind at this point.
Well said Chris

Having first lost a work colleague and then my mother to COVID I am finding some of the ill-informed opinions on this thread very difficult to take.

My wife and I also had COVID, I was off work for eight weeks and am still suffering the after effects six months later.

The Welsh Government are trying to keep everyone's friends and family alive and well, they are not holding up the opening of IAW out of some weird desire to spoil the enjoyment of hockey fans.
 

august04 2.0

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Sadly Chris, there are many people in a similar position to yourself who have been effected by this disease and I’m certainly not defending any insensitive posting on here. Lots of families have suffered and will continue to suffer whether from Covid directly or from the knock on effects on our health systems. What I’ve been trying to debate here is not to diminish those dreadful outcomes for people but to argue that the time is right to move on now that we are in such a better position due to the vaccine roll out. Trust me if the vaccines hadn’t made such a difference to hospitilisations, then I wouldn’t be advocating the opening up of IAW and society generally. And I hope that everyone that’s been effected in your family make a complete recovery (and that goes for anyone else on here too that has been effected).
 

mjh

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You know, i've sat here and read your posts for a while now, saw you claim to be drunk when you've made some offhand remark that hasn't gone down very well, and whatever else.

I don't know what James' view will be here, but if you're going to start bringing this nonsense about it not being a major illnesss, or "deadly" as you put it, then i'd be quite happy to not see you post on here again to be honest.

I've lost two colleagues to this virus, I had covid and still have some effects 6 months later, my wife was off work for 16 weeks, we had the ambulance out to the house 4 times in the space of a week. The only reason she didn't go into hospital was because there were no hospital beds available in Medway, or the surrounding areas, it was terrifying to watch someone you love be so ill and you literally can't do anything other than watch them suffer and hope things improve.

One of my mums brothers has died, another has prostate cancer and has seen their treatment delayed time and time again because the hospitals are overwhelmed. He's now on end of life care. Whilst covid might not be directly to blame, it is also definitely to blame.

You might have been luckily enough not to have caught it, or seen people suffer through it, but maybe try and think of the people on here who have done.

So feel free to take a think before you post again, or just don't post again, I really don't mind at this point.
Sorry to hear this Chris. All the best to you and your family.
 
It’s healthy to disagree but there’s been a worrying trend this past few years within UK politics, particularly from the left wing movement - the abuse of people who have an opposing view. We've seen it particularly with Brexit and the Covid pandemic. It’s unnecessary.
In fairness I always like watching debates on these types of topics and like it. You need both ends of the scale. However you've referred to drakeford as Drakeford and called a poster a socialist for having a different view. So pot kettle mate, enjoyed all your other posts though
 

august04 2.0

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In fairness I always like watching debates on these types of topics and like it. You need both ends of the scale. However you've referred to drakeford as Drakeford and called a poster a socialist for having a different view. So pot kettle mate, enjoyed all your other posts though
Referring to Drakeford as Drakeford is not a personal attack on any poster here, unless in the unlikely event that our esteemed First Minister is posting under a pseudonym on the Inferno! And it's absolutely bizarre that you think calling someone a socialist is personal abuse - check the definition, it’s not an abusive term! Especially if that said person posts that he’s a member of the Labour Party! So not pot kettling here mate!
 
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Referring to Drakeford as Drakeford is not a personal attack on any poster here, unless in the unlikely event that our esteemed First Minister is posting under a pseudonym on the Inferno! And it's absolutely bizarre that you think calling someone a socialist is personal abuse - check the definition!!!! Especially if that said person posts that he’s a member of the Labour Party! So not pot kettling here mate!
Why so defensive haha! Was only saying you've strayed the line! From my experience of social media and forums, right wing thinks left wing are over the top and left wing thinks right wing are over the top. When in reality politics has turned into a football match. You can only support one team and must defend that team at all cost, the other team is bad at all cost. Goes the same for posters just criticising Boris. Just don't call out others. I never said it was a personal attack on a poster on here calling him Drakeford, just people on here have voted for him so surely that's just stoking tensions rather than debating?
 
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