Carruth suspended
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A 13 year old is a child but they are above the age of criminal responsibility. So if they were abusing or harrassing someone in public they could be arrested by the police & potentially face criminal prosecution.
I don't know the ins & outs but I've seen behaviour in ice rinks from some fans, usually just verbal but if it was done outside on the street and the police saw it could get them arrested for harassment or breach of the peace. There seems to be too many fans who think they get a free pass inside an ice rink to hurl abuse at players or rival fans.
I don't know the ins & outs but I've seen behaviour in ice rinks from some fans, usually just verbal but if it was done outside on the street and the police saw it could get them arrested for harassment or breach of the peace. There seems to be too many fans who think they get a free pass inside an ice rink to hurl abuse at players or rival fans.
No one on here knows the full story. What's concerning though that if he was being abused left right and center, he chose to single out a young girl. It's hardly crime of the century but it's unfortunate and he should know better.
It's no secret that his character has been questioned before, and that he was a large contributor to an unhappy locker room last time round. Let's hope history is not repeating itself.
It's no secret that his character has been questioned before, and that he was a large contributor to an unhappy locker room last time round. Let's hope history is not repeating itself.
This entire incident just goes to show that plenty of people in this world these days have become far too comfortable with not getting punched square in the face as a result of their own actions.
If kids are crying over a little gesture towards them, we’re all screwed when they become the adults of the world.
If kids are crying over a little gesture towards them, we’re all screwed when they become the adults of the world.
Sums it up. I am really uncomfortable with anyone defending a grown man mocking a 13 year old girl (if this is what happened) even if there was provocation. I think it is great credit to the club that they have acted quickly.
In terms of the abuse, I missed this game but in the past in Nottingham the stewards have been very good when you chat to them about bad behaviour so assuming they were notified then it is disappointing they didn't act.
In terms of the abuse, I missed this game but in the past in Nottingham the stewards have been very good when you chat to them about bad behaviour so assuming they were notified then it is disappointing they didn't act.
If hockey in the EIHL is supposed to be a family sport, why were Panthers fans giving Mac the middle finger/wanker signs/verbally calling him a wanker (as has been suggested above)?
Why would opposition fans be called scum?
If you hold players to account for behaving/slipping up and doing something that's not family friendly (that's all this is), then when do we start to look at everyone else?
Funny how the love-in from only a couple years ago has gone. Not to say I'm surprised though, the same fanbase who cheered Ben Davies having his arm broken.
Why would opposition fans be called scum?
If you hold players to account for behaving/slipping up and doing something that's not family friendly (that's all this is), then when do we start to look at everyone else?
Funny how the love-in from only a couple years ago has gone. Not to say I'm surprised though, the same fanbase who cheered Ben Davies having his arm broken.
I think my point is that whilst plenty people want hockey to be a family sport in the UK, the behaviour of home fans the other night doesn't match up with that.
Carruth let himself and the organisation down, but he was provoked. Not an excuse, but mitigation. After the weekend, everyone moves on. (Is my view)
Carruth let himself and the organisation down, but he was provoked. Not an excuse, but mitigation. After the weekend, everyone moves on. (Is my view)
The Devils are in a No Win situation here. Damned if they did nothing (and supported their player) and damned (by some) for taking a reasonable reaction. Few, if any know the full facts, but the Devils here have acted correctly IMO.
Players and Staff representing the Devils will have a code of conduct, just like any of us will have in work.
If our actions are perceived to have fallen short of those defined standards, then an appropriate enquiries/investigation should be carried out and determinations should be allowed to fully conclude.
Many previous posts have drawn their conclusions from snippets or postings on Social Media - IMO that's like have 20 pieces to a 100 piece Jigsaw and somehow claiming you have the full picture. I fully expect TK will want to ensure he has all of the available information before deciding what, if any, sanction should follow.
Players and Staff representing the Devils will have a code of conduct, just like any of us will have in work.
If our actions are perceived to have fallen short of those defined standards, then an appropriate enquiries/investigation should be carried out and determinations should be allowed to fully conclude.
Many previous posts have drawn their conclusions from snippets or postings on Social Media - IMO that's like have 20 pieces to a 100 piece Jigsaw and somehow claiming you have the full picture. I fully expect TK will want to ensure he has all of the available information before deciding what, if any, sanction should follow.
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whoever recorded the footage deliberately cut the audio from the clip before posting it online. There's only one reason for doing that. To hide abuse being shouted by the fans.
If it was my 13 year old they wouldn't set foot in an arena again and neither would I. I'd be too embarrassed.
Is it great that Carruth did it? Not really. Do I care that much that he did? Nope.
Belfast is the best away trip there is but you see the young people sat at the glass around the away section (and these are very young kids) gesturing and swearing at the players and at times the away fans. I'm not singling out Belfast, every fan base has it's idiots but the issue is with the people doing it and the parents allowing it. Ideally the players won't react but they are human. Carruth's not sworn back, made a lewd gesture or done anything to bring shame on this club. I'd rather he hadn't done it but the condemnation from certain sections on here preaching their 'holier than thou' ways is comical.
There's no need for anyone to have concerns about me having that opinion. I'm very comfortable with it. I wouldn't be looking to this forum, specifically certain posters, for validation of my views anyway. I'm ok with how I see this.
If Carruth makes a lewd gesture to a child or swears then I'll be first to disapprove. Having a nibble back at a family giving him grief... fine in my book.
Is it great that Carruth did it? Not really. Do I care that much that he did? Nope.
Belfast is the best away trip there is but you see the young people sat at the glass around the away section (and these are very young kids) gesturing and swearing at the players and at times the away fans. I'm not singling out Belfast, every fan base has it's idiots but the issue is with the people doing it and the parents allowing it. Ideally the players won't react but they are human. Carruth's not sworn back, made a lewd gesture or done anything to bring shame on this club. I'd rather he hadn't done it but the condemnation from certain sections on here preaching their 'holier than thou' ways is comical.
There's no need for anyone to have concerns about me having that opinion. I'm very comfortable with it. I wouldn't be looking to this forum, specifically certain posters, for validation of my views anyway. I'm ok with how I see this.
If Carruth makes a lewd gesture to a child or swears then I'll be first to disapprove. Having a nibble back at a family giving him grief... fine in my book.
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